the best watches under €5,000 Grand Seiko SBGA439

Fratello Favorites: The Best Watches Under €5,000 — Balazs’s Picks From Ming, Omega, And Grand Seiko

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October 17, 2023

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You’d think it wouldn’t be too challenging to pick watches under €5K. There are so many fabulous timepieces on the market, and €5,000 is plenty of money to get a model from so many brands. This is all true. On the other hand, if you have five grand to spend on a watch, you probably won’t want to pick something for 12 hundred. Instead, you’ll want to aim for something that maximizes the budget. In that case, it gets more complicated. You still have many options, but there are far fewer brands to choose from. It also happens that I’m among the last editors to give you the list of what I think are the best watches under €5,000. That means many brands have already been covered. Nevertheless, here are my picks from Ming, Omega, and Grand Seiko, along with an added vintage bonus.

My brands of choice are not surprising. Some of the most prominent names in the industry have a lot to offer in this price segment. Sadly, some of the ones I love must be left out of my list. One of the first that comes to mind when I think of this topic is Tudor, and there’s a good reason for that. Tudor has a solid product line of excellent watches for the money. But many of my colleagues at Fratello think the same way, so I will not add Tudor to my list. I also felt a chronograph would be excellent. However, I could not find many in this price segment that I like. I still managed to cheat the system, though. Make sure you read it until the end to see what I mean.

The best watches under €5,000: Grand Seiko SBGA439

My love for the Grand Seiko SBGA439 is thoroughly documented, so it’s no surprise that I picked this one. However, just because I love a watch does not necessarily mean it should be on the list. Well, the Grand Seiko SBGA439 ticks all the boxes this time. First and foremost, even after Grand Seiko’s price increase earlier this year, the watch retails for exactly €5,000 in Europe (only US$4,800). While pricing is a very subjective matter, I feel that the amount of money you’ll spend here is fair for what you are getting. Not to mention that if you are lucky enough to travel to the US, you could save a few hundred euros.

The SBGA439 measures 40mm wide and only 46mm from tip to tip. Because of this, it’ll fit many wrists, especially since it’s only 12mm thick. It has a 72-hour power reserve with an indicator on the dial, a 100m water resistance rating, and a date complication. Thanks to its self-winding movement, the watch is a convenient daily wearer. Regarding movements, it’s not just any caliber in the SBGA439 but Grand Seiko’s Spring Drive 9R65. This beautifully decorated 30-jewel Japanese watchmaking marvel gives you an accuracy of ±1 second per day. These reasons should be enough to persuade you to check this beauty out if you’re looking for a Grand Seiko watch with a €5,000 budget.

Of course, there’s always the SBGA375 as well. The 439’s big brother is only a few hundred more, and some people find it more aesthetically pleasing. I like that watch too, but my money, literally speaking, is on the SBGA439. And if you don’t love blue dials, the SBGA437 with its champagne dial is quite spectacular too.

Ming 37.07 Monolith

I fell in love with the Ming 37.07 Mosaic when I first saw it last year. Ming is one of those brands that never ceases to amaze me anyway. Despite having a simple design language, Ming manages to find a way to elevate it and bring new, exciting watches to market. The 37.07 Mosaic was such a model, clean like most Ming pieces with a twist that made it stand out immediately. Sadly, the Ming Mosaic is not available anymore unless you get a secondhand example, and those go way above the initial retail price of around €3.5K. The good news is that a new Ming 37.07 is coming — the Monolith version. Sharing the same design principle as the 37.07 Mosaic, the Monolith is a time-only beauty with a mesmerizing Super-LumiNova-filled mosaic pattern on the dial. However, it offers a bit more.

Like every Ming Monolith variant, the 37.07 sports a DLC-coated black case, but it also has an all-new perforated black leather strap. The combination of the watch and this strap is a winner, being sporty yet subtle. Like the Mosaic, the 37.07 Monolith is 38mm wide and only 10.9mm thin. Due to its size, the watch is effortless to wear. If the 40mm Grand Seiko wasn’t your thing, this might tickle your fancy. Like before, Ming utilized a Sellita movement. Inside the Monolith 37.07 is the Sellita SW210-1 with a few modifications. The lower bridges are skeletonized and anthracite coated with contrasting rhodium-plated bridges on the top.

Since we are talking about a limited edition of 250 pieces, you probably won’t see many of these in the wild, even if the price is way below our mark at CHF 3,500 (around €3,700). I’m a fan of both 37.07 models, but I’m strongly leaning toward the Monolith.

Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 150M

Okay, I needed to cheat a little bit here. But just think of this list as a four-watch collection for €20K instead of a list of individual picks. At €5,700, the Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 150M Co-Axial Master Chronometer exceeds our budget for each watch. However, if we spend a bit of what we saved on the Ming here, we’re still under €15,000 for the three watches so far. Anyway, even if the price is a tad over €5K, I can justify that. Just look at the Aqua Terra 150M. What does the watch have that one cannot adore? I fell in love with it years ago when I had the chance to wear it for an extended period.

Image: Second Movement

The blue-dial version with the rubber strap was just an incredibly classy watch. The 41 × 47.9mm size, the chronometer-certified Omega 8900 movement, and the overall feel on the wrist were perfect. And the best thing about the Omega Aqua Terra 150M is that you can pick it in a few colors. Blue is my favorite, but the brand also offers it with a black or silver dial. There’s even a Golf Edition with a black dial, green seconds hand, and green numerals. Many more colors are in the catalog, but those are above €6,000. Still, this AT is a fantastic pick for someone looking for a daily wearer who does not want to break the bank.

The best watches under €5,000: A vintage chronograph

Remember, in the beginning, I told you that I managed to cheat the system. On one hand, I finally put a chronograph on the list. On the other hand, it’s not just one watch but a whole category — vintage chronographs. A few of you might feel upset about that, but I did not want to pick just one model. Instead, I decided to highlight some of the better ones that are worth your attention and fit the €5,000 budget.

My first pick would be any chronograph with an Excelsior Park caliber inside. This could be an EP-branded model, a vintage Zenith, Gallet, Girard-Perregaux, or something from a smaller brand. These movements, whether the EP-4 or EP-40 (with three sub-dials), were at the pinnacle of watchmaking back in their day. They deserve your attention both for their horological significance and the beautiful design that they brought to the market.

No list of vintage chronographs is complete without mentioning the almighty Angelus 215 caliber. In a 38mm steel case, these chronographs are among the most iconic watches in this genre. The 215 was an in-house Angelus movement that eventually made it into the legendary Panerai Mare Nostrum. Make sure you get one with the 215 and not the earlier 210 caliber. It’s equally remarkable but usually comes in a smaller 34-35mm case.

The Benrus Sky Chief’s minute totalizer sports longer hashes at 4, 8, and 12 minutes for navigation purposes

Lastly, one of my favorites is both the watch and the movement — the Benrus Sky Chief with a Valjoux 72. If you went to school to study vintage chronographs, in the first lesson, you’d learn this: anything with a Valjoux 72 in it is magnificent, period. So my pick would be the Benrus Sky Chief with the Valjoux 72 (other versions with the Valjoux 23 etc. also apply) as it comes in a smaller 35mm case. It’s perfect for those of you who prefer smaller chronographs.

What would you pick?

There you have it — my list of contenders for the best watches under €5,000. Granted, one was over by a few hundred euros, but I tried to satisfy a wide variety of watch fans. From Japanese excellence and microbrand magic to my beloved vintage chronos and mainstream greatness, the list was as balanced as I could make it. So now I’m wondering what would be on your list. Let me know in the comments below. I am curious about your picks for vintage chronographs. We might make an episode of Fratello On Air out of them!

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Flo L says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 07:56

as much as I love the looks of the Ming, it’s kind of a pointless pick. Sure I alway appreciate spotlights on potentially less known brands and models, but it is one of those watches almost impossible to obtain. It like listing a rare rolex in a list of picks below 10k at list price. 😛

still nice picks. like the first 3.

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MG
maciej-g says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 09:05

Not bad picks, this GS and the Omega… but including one at 5.7K does break the rule;-) The AT is not bad but it is not the Omegi I like. As for the GS–I can’t stand the PR on the dial (similarly to cyclops on dials).

My picks are–already mentioned under the first “Fratello Favorites: The Best Watches Under €5,000” (some other favourites iuder this price cap: Longines Spirit 37, GS SBGX261; Nomos Club 701.1 and Orion 38 Silver, Junghans Meister Handaufzug Terrassenbau, Hamilton Murph 38–were included in the sub-3K section, so I am staying in the 3K>5.2K range here) are:

– Longines Spirit Flyback – despite its thickness;
– Omega Railmaster – despite being, I think, discontinued?;
– Grand Seiko SBGW291 (I know, I know, it’s 5.2K);
– IWC Spitfire 39mm (I know… 5.1K);
– Oris Big Crown 473 38mm (although I don’t like the dial colour, much prefer the dial colour of the 403, but the manual is cooler); or Oris ProPilot X 400… although I agree with many that the dial could benefit from some subtle excitement…

Fratello experts shod me the two coolest pre-owned sub-5K picks:
– RJ’s Omega Speedmaster 3594.50 Broad Arrow Replica;
– Breguet Type XX Aéronavale 3800ST.

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1. GP
  Skip72 says:
  
  Oct 19, 2023 at 17:46
  
  Let’s be honest, the grey market price of that Aqua Terra is $4,000.
  
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  1. MG
    maciej-g says:
    
    Oct 19, 2023 at 20:32
    
    And at the black market….
    
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  2. Luís Oliveira says:
    
    Dec 13, 2023 at 18:34
    
    Where do you find it for this price?
    
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Pelandrone says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 09:25

I would pick SBGA375, the SBGA439 is nice, but since both are 40mm, I would go for the more classic 44GS case.
I would choose 439 if it were 41mm.

Second choice – Aqua Terra on a bracelet with reverse face (silver dial, blue indices).

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Enuona says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 09:46

A thing in common with your choices is a sober or partially toned down text/logo on the dials. In my view, that is significantly better design than poems across the entire dial. The chronographs manages to do what most modern chrongraphs can’t handle with a larger canvas, sharp legibility and sufficient detail. Perhaps the Excelsior Park is the reason for my liking to Kurono Tokyo Chronograph II white on the more crowded side? The Gallet is sharp legibility 101. Wish there was a retro wave reinvigorating this aspect on chronographs to a larger extent.

But those are for collectors which I am not, and my pick from these would be the Aqua Terra. It’s too nice for my usage and would have suited me better without the polish though. Would have preferred it on a non rubber strap, but the Railmaster would suit my purposes better than present Aqua Terra.

Can’t picture that many new finer watches suitable to my usage in the 5K segment, I have to stick to my usage, and I could probably cover all bases for 15K spent on new watches. To approach 5K I’d go retro mostly.

Thor’s Phoenix, Henry’s XV and Nacho’s 2254 would trump most new watches in my book, and for dressy I’d go Omega vintage. As for present watches, I’d go with stuff like Damasko DK with A26-2, Aera D1/P1, Sea-Chron, F-41 Original and so on. Getting close to the 5K limit I probably would disregard my disliking of “snowflake” and pick FXD US as everything else is great, or a Marinemaster 44 despite half roof lugism.

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MB
MarkB says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 10:14

I’ll only accept the Omega if there was a category for watches that should cost less than 5k euros. The Ming needs a seconds hand and I think the company should accept that they’re playing with the big boys now and actually build a stock of watches so the buyer doesn’t have to wait a lifetime for their watch while still paying Ming’s financing costs for them. No way I’d fork out that amount of money at the start and then wait so long for my watch. This is one of my favorite GS Spring-drive models. The only way they could make it any better would be to build it out of titanium.

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1. Enuona says:
  
  Oct 17, 2023 at 13:14
  
  The should have cost less than 5K category was in my mind too. A crowded place that would be, as values mismatching goods carrying the pricetags seems prominent. The brands are not entirely to blame though. Swiss currency deserves credit.
  
  That set aside, that price segment with present watches seems to be the doldrums, the good winds are to be found beyond tropic of Capricorn and tropic of Cancer. Way below and way above.
  
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  1. MB
    MarkB says:
    
    Oct 17, 2023 at 14:45
    
    Moving from <£3k to <£5k doesn't add any watches for me. My favorites seem to be £2.5k or below.
    
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    1. Enuona says:
      
      Oct 18, 2023 at 10:57
      
      Yeah, I believe it is a lot of fun to be had there. Not uncommon for me to think that the price is what’s adding the value in the +/- 5K segment. That goes for e.g. some Fortis, Oris Calibre 400.x and much from Tudor to mention a few. It’s about creating the perception of value, and I question the substance scaffolding it.
      
      There’s a lot to like in the proper luxury segments too, but far from all. Amongst those I like, there’s quite a few I wouldn’t buy even if the budget was there. Which it is not 🤣 Would have had to change my lifestyle to pull them off, and I don’t want to.
      
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2. Zarquon says:
  
  Oct 18, 2023 at 01:56
  
  I second the “watches that should cost less than 5K” idea. That would be a nice thought experiment. Or we should “just” jump in a time machine and go back 10-15 years?
  
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3. GP
  Skip72 says:
  
  Oct 19, 2023 at 17:51
  
  I am curious what you need the seconds hand for. I never use one save for setting the watch. With a loop, one can get pretty close with a two-hander. Do you time things a lot? Whenever I need to time anything I wear my trusty quartz Seiko chronograph (it has an hour totalizer, which I require). But I do not know. I never use the diver bezel, ever, so I know that I am not the typical user. I am just curious why you would need a seconds hand. I often find them distracting (more so on quartz).
  
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  1. MB
    MarkBu says:
    
    Oct 19, 2023 at 19:23
    
    Beyond setting the watch and monitoring accuracy, I just like observing time second-by-second on occasions and generally enjoy the life one brings to the dial. Two-hand watches look a bit dead to me. My mental math is pretty good, so I often time stuff using a three-hand watch rather than reach for a G-Shock or chronograph. All center seconds hands are cool, whether it be quartz dead-second or the smooth sweep of a Spring-Drive. I honestly would never by an analogue watch without a seconds hand.
    
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Jimbo61 says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 10:35

Angelus all the way. Stunning.
A great article, loved the content, however, why can I not get ‘Ming’???

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DG
GoldenYears says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 10:54

Hi Balazs,
These are all very nice and quite interesting watches. I wouldn’t mind owning any of these gems but if I had to use my own €5,000, I wouldn’t buy any of them. I’d buy something totally different not described in this article.

But, if I am using Fratello’s €5,000, then I’ll buy the Omega Aqua Terra, 38mm, black dial with black rubber strap. With some good negotiating and a nice discount in the right AD, I am confident that I can buy this watch for €5,000.

Cheers!

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1. balazs says:
  
  Oct 18, 2023 at 12:06
  
  What would be your list, then? 🙂
  
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  1. DG
    GoldenYears says:
    
    Oct 18, 2023 at 17:37
    
    Hi Balazs,
    Nothing against your picks. I’m just in a different season of my watch collecting journey.
    
    I’m entering the pre-twilight years of my life, I already have a lot of great Swiss watches, I’m looking for something different, I have skinny wrists and want something smallish, and I want a grandpa’s watch.
    
    The Grand Seiko SBGW 291 comes to mind first and foremost. I wouldn’t mind a new remake of an old 1950-1960’s Omega Seamaster (probably not below €5,000). Not a Tudor fan but if they came out with a 37mm Submariner I’d buy it in a second. And also a <38mm Japanese independent watch would be nice. The rest will come later with time. Cheers!
    
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    1. GP
      Skip72 says:
      
      Oct 19, 2023 at 18:00
      
      You can get a really nice 32-33mm Omega, even in gold, for far less than $5,000. If you want a smaller watch like that, there are LeCoultre and even Vacheron models for $5,000 in 32mm or 31mm. I think only a Patek would probably drive you over the $5k. I always wished I had skinny wrists. I would love a 31mm gold LeCoultre from the 1950’s, and one can find them for under $2k, but I am a big guy and they just look too small.
      
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      1. DG
        GoldenYears says:
        
        Oct 19, 2023 at 20:38
        
        Hi Skip,
        Funny. All my life I wish I had bigger wrists. It really limits me to what watches I can wear. I’m envious of people with larger wrists. But I guess it’s a good thing or I would be buying a lot of watches 🤪
        
        I just measured my wrist again today as it is getting much colder here. I think 34-37mm works best for me.
        
        Thanks for the watch tips. I’m reluctant to buy pre-owned and vintage watches because basically I am a little scared of the unknown and I don’t know anything about old vintage watches.
        
        My sister and sister-in-law each gave me an 18k gold watch from the 1940-1950’s. I returned both to their owners as I didn’t feel comfortable restoring them. They felt fragile and delicate and I lacked the experience and know-how.
        
        Anyway, thanks for the ideas. 😊
        
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        RV
        ralfybaby says:
        
        Oct 21, 2023 at 16:12
        
        I have a gold filled jlc from the 1960s. Runs within seconds a day. I think people are unnecessarily scared of vintage. These watches may feel delicate when compared to today’s tank like watches but people wore watches like that in wars and on mountain tops back in the day before everyone had to have a “rugged sportswatch.”
        These older watches can be serviced easily by an independent watch maker.
        I say give one a go
        
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        DG
        GoldenYears says:
        
        Oct 21, 2023 at 23:15
        
        I don’t mind vintage watches if I bought those new, myself. It’ll take me time to warm to the idea of buying a pre-owned vintage watch of unknown ownership and servicing. But I have been looking out of curiosity. Thanks for the encouragement.
        
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      2. RV
        ralfybaby says:
        
        Oct 21, 2023 at 16:23
        
        I worked with a chap about my own dimensions 6’2″ 188cm 110 kg 245lbs but unlike my narrow-ish 18cm 7.125″ wrists he is more the tree trunk wrist type. He often wears a vintage gold omega from the 1950s with a bumper movement, really cool. He also has a gold longines fro. The same era.
        I think that bigger men should not worry about a smaller watch on the wrist they look just fine.
        
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        DG
        GoldenYears says:
        
        Oct 21, 2023 at 23:16
        
        I agree 👍🏻
        
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        GP
        Skip72 says:
        
        Dec 16, 2023 at 23:01
        
        I never used to care. I collected gold watches from the 1940’s and 1950’s when I was young (200-2010). Then I got divorced (married at 22, divorced at 32), and I was dating college girls and they all said I was wearing a woman’s watch. I started buying the generic larger watches. Even after getting married again recently, my wife makes jokes when i wear a 36mm. I know I should not mind, but I know nothing of fashion and such. I trust my wife with my clothing choices, and I wear watches that fit my wrist better (she likes my monster Astron or a huge Tissot she bought me, I like my 39mm Aqua Terra or 39-40mm Seiko dress watches).
        
        I do want a 1950’s gold watch again, but they cost significantly more than twenty years ago. Perhaps gold is no longer $300 per ounce.
        
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PK
18000bph says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 11:23

To me, the challenge is that everyone is going upmarket. With that, prices are increasing often a few times a year for major brands. For example, Speedy Pro in my head is a great 5000EUR watch, but at current retail, it’s too hard to swallow to the point that I almost gave up on a dream of ever owning one.I bought a second-hand Speedy that ticked all my boxes for exactly 5000EUR. It is my grail after all and I’d buy one anyway.
But what if it’s not a grail? Should I start looking at what’s available at 5000EUR? Which means Tudor, Longines, Oris or higher-end second-hand watches at current Speedy retail?
On paper Grand Seikos are great, but they don’t do anything for me in metal.

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1. Enuona says:
  
  Oct 17, 2023 at 13:17
  
  Pricing goes upmarket. Not convinced that the watches follows. In my mind the discrepancy appears rather significant in general.
  
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  1. PK
    18000bph says:
    
    Oct 17, 2023 at 15:20
    
    I agree the product does not necessarily gets proportionally better
    
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SC
Tam O’ Banter says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 14:41

I have just never liked that Omega.

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1. MB
  MarkB says:
  
  Oct 17, 2023 at 15:25
  
  The original model at 39mm with the high-accuracy quartz movement was cool, but then Co-axial arrived and they got fat, glitzy and overpriced. The trouble is that those original quartz models don’t cost that much less on the used market than a brand new GS or ‘The Citizen’, which is where my money would go.
  
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  1. GP
    Skip72 says:
    
    Oct 19, 2023 at 22:16
    
    The Citizen with the paper dials are some of the best watches out there right now. That said, I have a quartz Aqua Terra, and it is awesome.
    
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SB
S.M.B says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 15:30

I would have forgiven you for going over budget on the Omega, but to me you picked the worst AT. I love the AT in theory, but the strap on that one is a deal breaker. If I was to buy an AT today and had to pick from the current offering I would get the Golf Edition 220.12.41.21.01.002.

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1. balazs says:
  
  Oct 18, 2023 at 11:16
  
  Actually, I love it on the strap 🙂 And. as it was already a stretch at 5.7k I could not pick it on the bracelet, would have been too expensive. But I hear you.
  
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RW
Spartyfan6262 says:

Oct 17, 2023 at 19:29

I’m not shocked that you found a way to slip an Angelus in ehre, Balazs! By the way, excellent episode on watches from the 40s and 50s. It was not an area of watches I am really interested in, but 10 minutes in, I was hooked.

I can’t improve on your suggestions here. The Grand Seiko takes the win, in my book. I would suggest two more options, however, for aesthetics. First, the Grand Seiko SBGN027. For $3,300, you get a GMT, beautiful monochromatic dial, a 39mm case, 200 meters of water resistance and the accuracy of a HAQ. Second, the IWC Mark XX. Yes, that’s cheating because the retail price is $5,250, but you can find it used for under $5k USD. The Mark XX gives you a 120 hour power reserve, 100 meters of WR, an in house movement and beautiful good looks.

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1. balazs says:
  
  Oct 18, 2023 at 11:18
  
  Thank you for the kind words and your picks. The SBGN027 is fantastic, maybe a tad too “busy” for my taste. But if I has to choose between that or the IWC, it’s GS for me all the way 🙂
  
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Jorge Peredo says:

Oct 18, 2023 at 01:11

You don’t have to go vintage to find a nice chrono for under €5,000. You can get a 40mm Oris Divers Sixty-Five Chrono.

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1. balazs says:
  
  Oct 18, 2023 at 11:19
  
  You could and indeed don’t have to go vintage. I just love them more than any Oris…
  
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LL
labissu says:

Oct 18, 2023 at 09:15

I am not sure if Ming piece is worth it?
Look, back when they were small and cheap, yeah, Ming watches were cute with a distinctive flare. But €3,700 for that? Really?
I feel like watches above around €3,000 have to have something to justify their prices. It’s… a lot of money, ok? You can live a year in many countries for that much. So the watches need an “it” factor. At that price level (or a bit above it), you can get inhouse, unique movements with cool complications, or impeccable guilloche, or grand feu enamel, or brilliantly finish. Cute dial on an otherwise generic watch doesn’t cut it anymore. Which, to my mind, is exactly what Ming is.

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DG
GoldenYears says:

Oct 18, 2023 at 13:57

Hi Balazs,
Nothing against your picks. I’m just in a different season of my watch collecting journey. I’m entering the twilight of my life, I already have a lot of great watches, I’m looking for something different, I have skinny wrists and want something smallish, and I want an old man’s watch. The Grand Seiko SBGW 291 comes to mind first and foremost. I wouldn’t mind a remake of an old 1950-1960’s Omega Seamaster. Not a Tudor fan but if they came out with a 37mm Submariner I’d buy it. The rest will come later. Cheers!

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GP
Skip72 says:

Oct 19, 2023 at 17:45

Balazs kills it with this one. I would have gone with a champagne dial Grand Seiko, and I would have chosen a different Ming, but otherwise we speak the same language. This has been the best of the series.

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JF
J says:

Oct 25, 2023 at 00:42

I miss the SBGA285, as I think it was the best GS in the catalogue, even as it was one of the cheapest. 39mm, Spring Drive, 10mm thick, matt black dial and solid case back, it was the absolute epitome of toolwatchdom. I’d been putting off a purchase when I heard it had been discontinued. Devastated – and it should be on the list instead of the SBGA439.

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